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Re: Some Tournament Things Are Here

Postby boofed » Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:50 pm

Wow, incredibly thorough post. Probably the highest quality post I have seen on this forum to-date. I feel bad posting such a lesser quality post right beneath yours, but alas, I need to get these ideas out to the tournament scene.

My idea is that we host a "Titan Olympics," a series of competitive events that yield an overall winner. Most of the events would consist of teams constructed under guilds, but in some, a single player may represent his/her guild. The events would be as follows:

- The Forest no player titans (solo)
- The Forest no player titans (team)
- The Forest II (team)
- Annie (team)
- Colossal Titan (team)
- Racing Akina (group event)

All events are time trial competitions and will be set to Normal difficulty. I'm considering also holding score/damage based competitions and I'm refining a system for that. Each event will give 3 points to the winner, 2 points to second place, and 1 point to third place. In the case of Racing Akina, all competitors start in the same server. Points will be rewarded based on which guild comes in first, second, and third. Points are not awarded to those who do not finish. In other words, if only one team finishes and no other team crosses the finish line in under 20s afterwards, 3 points are awarded to the winning team and no points to everyone else.

What kind of interest is there for this style of competition? How big do you think the teams should be? I'm going to sort through the details and gauge public interest based on the responses I get here. If I wasn't clear on anything in this post, just let me know and I'll answer your question and edit the post. Thanks!
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Re: Some Tournament Things Are Here

Postby Sarruby » Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:55 pm

Wow, thanks! I wasn't sure anyone was going to read my post once I realized how long it was. >.< Now I've made some edits, too, if you want to reread it and give me some feedback (http://fenglee.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2767&start=59). *hopefulface*



Quick question:

boofed wrote:My idea is that we host a "Titan Olympics," a series of competitive events that yield an overall winner. Most of the events would consist of teams constructed under guilds, but in some, a single player may represent his/her guild.


What do you mean by an "overall winner"? I think you're thinking of this like the real Olympics, except guilds instead of countries. But just to be clear - an "overall winner" isn't an individual but a guild, right?

Other than that, all the questions I have about your event are purely logistical - like timing (especially because of different time zones) or how you'd get admins/witnesses.



My response to what you have response-ness-wise:

I'd definitely try to get my guild to sign up if you planned it out. XD (Sorry, my own guild, if you read this and didn't want to - Imma sign us up!!)

That said, you'll probably have to wait for the weekend/holidays/summer before you get a response by which you can gauge actual interest in your Olympic style of competition. There are a lot of people in school playing this game. (I start school in like a week, which is why I have time to do forum stuff.) :-)

Yet while people are busy this time of year and may not tell you directly that they want to participate, there is demonstrated interest in competing at AoTTG as a guild - look at xanox100's tournament http://fenglee.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8208. It got a number of sign-ups but was cancelled for other reasons, so my bet is that you'd get guilds to respond if you really set it up.
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Re: Some Tournament Things Are Here

Postby boofed » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:17 am

Sarruby wrote:Wow, thanks! I wasn't sure anyone was going to read my post once I realized how long it was. >.< Now I've made some edits, too, if you want to reread it and give me some feedback (http://fenglee.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2767&start=59). *hopefulface*



Quick question:

boofed wrote:My idea is that we host a "Titan Olympics," a series of competitive events that yield an overall winner. Most of the events would consist of teams constructed under guilds, but in some, a single player may represent his/her guild.


What do you mean by an "overall winner"? I think you're thinking of this like the real Olympics, except guilds instead of countries. But just to be clear - an "overall winner" isn't an individual but a guild, right?

Other than that, all the questions I have about your event are purely logistical - like timing (especially because of different time zones) or how you'd get admins/witnesses.



My response to what you have response-ness-wise:

I'd definitely try to get my guild to sign up if you planned it out. XD (Sorry, my own guild, if you read this and didn't want to - Imma sign us up!!)

That said, you'll probably have to wait for the weekend/holidays/summer before you get a response by which you can gauge actual interest in your Olympic style of competition. There are a lot of people in school playing this game. (I start school in like a week, which is why I have time to do forum stuff.) :-)

Yet while people are busy this time of year and may not tell you directly that they want to participate, there is demonstrated interest in competing at AoTTG as a guild - look at xanox100's tournament http://fenglee.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8208. It got a number of sign-ups but was cancelled for other reasons, so my bet is that you'd get guilds to respond if you really set it up.


That's it, you've motivated me to plan this event out fully. My goal is to have it over the winter during most people's winter breaks. The "AoG Winter Games" :D

Yes, individuals do not win points for themselves but for their associated guild instead. The guilds take home the titles, not the players. That's not to say, however, an individual won't be recognized for carrying his/her team.

Admins would most likely be me and my guild members, though I would really like for us to participate in the event as well. I think I can convince us to make the sacrifice. As for witnesses, I think a screenshot of the game would be more than enough to suffice. So long as the screenshot has a time stamp on it when it was taken and has a part of the website visible. Same rules used by the scoreboard (general discussion) would apply here.

I gave your post a "thorough glance" and just did a quick scan through it to see what's up. Looks really good and is incredibly detailed. I don't really have any time to give feedback, however, as that would require a much more thorough read-through (college is tough).
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Re: Some Tournament Things Are Here

Postby Sarruby » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:01 pm

lol college... I don't start till the 22nd, lucky me XD

:-D Since I have free time until school starts... I tried to imagine how Olympics would work with AoTTG. Below is what I started thinking, and here are the main logistical questions that came to mind:

  • When do these events occur? How will timezones from all over the world be accounted for, if at all?
  • How will players/guilds/teams be contacted about room/password information?
  • How do teams sign up (Feng Forums)? How many guilds can sign up?
  • Events - detailed description of criteria to play (how to win, how it will be monitored)
  • How will you keep track of scores/points? (Forums? Google spreadsheet?)
Also, I noticed you suggest giving points to the 3 best teams only. What if you gave the opposite of the number of guilds? Like, if there are 8 guilds, 1st place is 8 points and last place is 1. That way, all guilds can achieve some number of points, revealing more about the ranking of guilds.


Because I has no life
Feel free to use the "quote" button to copy all of this if you want to use the formatting here. I just wrote stuff because I felt like it.

Titans Olympics

General Tournament Logistics
    Much like the Olympics, guilds compete against each other to produce a winner.
    Guilds compete against each other in different events. Each event will give 3 points to the winning guild, 2 points to second place, and 1 point to third place. (Akina event only gives points if race is completed.) Guilds are ranked based on points.
    Events occur between December 40, 2014, and December 50, 2014. Events do not occur at the same time.
    Scores will be recorded on a Google Docs Spreadsheet, viewable here: link


Event Details
    All events are set to normal difficulty.
    Solo events may have up to 3 players from the guild competing separately. Team events require at least 2 members.

    The Forest - Solo (No Player Titans)
      This event takes place on December 40, 2014 at 00:00 UTC.

      An admin makes the room and share the name/password information with players via Skype 10 minutes before the event is scheduled to happen. Players disable Flare Green (spawn). Players take turns soloing the forest, and the admin records the score.

      The faster the completion of the forest, the higher the rank.
    The Forest - Team of 4 (No Player Titans)
      TEXT
    The Forest II - Team of 5
      TEXT
    Annie - Team of 4
      TEXT
    Colossal Titan - Team of 4
      TEXT
    Racing Akina - Solo
      This event takes place on December 40, 2014 at 00:00 UTC.

      Participants all enter the room at once. The masterclient, an admin witness, will restart the server using the RC mod once everyone is present.

      The player with the fastest time wins. Players who do not complete the race are not ranked and do not receive points.


Registered Guilds
    Guildname
      Forest (Solo): Sarruby
      Forest (Team):
      Forest II (Team):
      Annie (Team):
      Colossal Titan (Team):
      Akina (Solo): Sarruby
    Guildname 2
      Forest (Solo): SarrubyTarruby
      Forest (Team):
      Forest II (Team):
      Annie (Team):
      Colossal Titan (Team):
      Akina (Solo): Me


Oh also can anyone think of a hip name for my competition with all solo players??
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Re: Some Tournament Things Are Here

Postby Neon1 » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:26 am

Holy shit, A AOTTG Winter Games! That sounds really cool! I can't wait until recruitment for it starts (if it actually goes through)
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Re: Some Tournament Things Are Here

Postby boofed » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:19 pm

I am happy to announce that registration for the AoG Wolf Winter Games has begun. You can find information about the tournament as well as a registration form on the forum thread.
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Re: Some Tournament Things Are Here

Postby Sarruby » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:57 am

I'm attempting to run my tournament in a couple of guilds to do a dry run before this summer, when I hope to scale it up. Here's the rules I'll post for them if they let me run it. I've made some changes to my previous iteration of the rules.

Wish me luck!




In-Guild Tournament

A Ruby-Style Tournament

Image

Announcements
(12/4/2014) Sarruby is trying to run this tournament as a test run for a summer, large-scale tournament. Many thanks to all sign-ups.
(12/3/2014) I'm looking for someone to make a pretty-ified version of the bracket image shown above.
Past announcements
Announcements are archived here.

Admin activity log
Whenever action is taken by admins, they may choose to record the changes or actions in this log. While there is a log on Challonge, it does not include detailed information that an admin might wish to provide.

Please try to help admins keep this log as short as possible by not causing trouble. Thanks!

Example:
9/3/2015: SarrubyTarruby changed scores of match K as requested by ToxicSenpai.
9/5/2015: SarrubyTarruby removed Sarruby from tournament due to suspected cheating.
9/8/2015: SarrubyTarruby reopened match L as requested by Kurashiki and Aoi.


General Tournament Logistics
Tournament is single elimination, most kills per match advances. Brackets are recorded on Challonge.com. Players contact each other and coordinate their own matches once a week.
Dates: January-February (individual match times vary)
You can view the progress of the tournament here: (link)
You can sign up for the tournament here: (link)
Sign-up details
Sign-ups are conducted with a Google Form. The form asks the following:
  • In-Game Name? **
  • Challonge account name? **
    • When entered in the tournament, your in-game name will be displayed. The Challonge account name is needed (1) to send you Skype information and (2) for you to report scores. Your in-game name will be posted in a table pairing it with your Challonge username.
  • Skype username? **
    • Required to enter the tournament. You will be expected to give it to your opponent via a Challonge message as soon as possible to make communication simpler. This is so that the tournament admins will know who's who with certainty when they are added to a Skype conversation.
  • Agreement to rules? **
    ** Required
Using the Challonge names entered in the Google form, admins will bulk-enter all participants. If you enter a name in the form in error, edit your response or notify an admin. The bulk-add feature allows entries of "[displayed name], [Challonge username]" on separate lines. Your in-game name will be input for displayed name, and Challonge name pairs will be found on the forum.

Tournament Schedule
  • Sat., Dec. 28: Entries Due (Coordinator inputs names into Challonge tournament and set up predictions. Also add other admin(s).)
  • Sat., Jan. 4: Predictions Due (The tournament automatically opens.)
  • Tues., Jan. 13: Round 1 Ends (Admins advance matches that didn't happen.)
  • Tues., Jan. 20: Round 2 Ends (Admins advance matches that didn't happen.)
  • Tues., Jan. 27: Round 3 Ends (Admins advance matches that didn't happen.)
  • Tues., Feb. 3 : Round 4 Ends (Admins advance matches that didn't happen.)
  • Tues., Feb. 10: Round 5 Ends (Admins advance matches that didn't happen.)


Match Logistics
Player contact each other to coordinate a match. They play it according to rules below.
Players report their own scores on Challonge and screenshot evidence.
Players then verify their opponents' score reports. If a problem is found, it is reported and an admin will take appropriate actions.
Coordinating matches
Players look up their opponent's Challonge username on this forum and/or the Skype group and send them their Skype information and start a Skype conversation, including an admin in both Skype and Challonge messages. They then coordinate the match times before the round ends.

On specified deadline days for each round, admins will *cough* randomly *cough* advance matches that didn't happen (meaning players tried to coordinate but were unable) or remove inactive players from tournament. See "Troubleshooting" below for more detail.

Tournament specifications for a match
Match Details:
  • Matches are 30 minutes in Forest III Hard Day using browser version of game. The player with more kills wins. There is no penalty for dying.
  • Players are advised to periodically take a screenshot (but maybe not save it unless there's a problem) because score-reporting screenshots must contain both players' usernames.
  • Masterclient is the player listed first on Challonge, but if players agree may be the other player.
  • US is the location of servers, but if players agree may be another location.
  • Name and Password are to be decided by players. ("MatchD" is fine.)
  • Initial time should be set to 31-35 to allow time for other player to join.
  • Player number should be exactly the number of attending players (2 unless witness is planned). (Prevents kicking from another player entry.)

Other rules:
  • Matches following tournament specifications will have scores on Challonge and be eligible for the "most kills in a match" awards. Matches not following tournament specifications or lacking tournament-specified evidence must have final scores of 0 so as not to confuse admins when choosing the highest number.
  • Using Titan Eren is allowed, but be aware that kills as Titan Eren do not add to your score.

Score report specifications
Score reports on Challonge or through Challonge messages allows players to enter verifiable scores in Challonge. (Challonge allows 4 attachments to each match. Attachments can be files up to 250k, links, or text.)
Scores are self-reported on Challonge and players must each upload 2 screenshots, one of start of match and one of end (less than 300 seconds left).
A false report of a win/loss (meaning your opponent reports that you have incorrectly input the win/loss) is grounds for immediate removal from tournament.

Contents:
  1. Screenshot 1 must have time at or below 1800 with 0/0/0/0. (Shows that players started at correct time.)
  2. Screenshot 2 must have time below 1800. If possible, screenshots of the endscreen would be ideal. (Shows end scores.)

Details:
  • Screenshots must (1) show browser version of game, (2) both players, and (3) computer's timestamp (in corner of screen).
  • Screenshots do not have to be fullscreen.
  • Screenshots may be cropped (to reduce image size to below 250 kB).
  • Any time below 1800 (but containing both players) is acceptable because of accidental/purposeful disconnects or bugs which may result in only one player's name being shown. If players submit different final screenshots, the scores on the later screenshot will be used.
  • Be sure to take screenshots from time to time in case you or your opponent disconnects.

Once a match is reported as a win/loss, players cannot edit contents. As courtesy to opponents wishing to submit a score report, wait for them to upload attachments before declaring the win/loss.

Links to video of match are acceptable proof. Please add a text attachment noting the seconds in which the match starts and ends (and disconnects if applicable - see below) if they are not at the start and end of the video.

Verifying scores
Players are required to check their opponent's previous match and verify that the scores match the reports. If a special report was submitted via messaging, you will see two notes saying so from the player and an admin.

If there are no issues, you do not need to take any action - simply prepare for your next match!

If scores are not reported correctly
If you make a mistake when entering a score, notify all admins immediately with a message on Challonge.
If you spot a false report, notify all admins immediately with a message on Challonge. Write the match letter in the subject and detail the problem in the body.

What happens if you report something
  • If scores are not reported by either player, an admin will either remove both players for inactivity or pick a winner.
  • If scores are reported only by one player, that player will receive their reported score but the player who did not report will receive a score of 0. (No proof of browser version.)
  • If neither player shows initial scores, both will receive 0. (No proof of correct amount of time.)
  • If a player is missing from a screenshot, it will be disregarded. (No proof it was taken in a match.)
  • If a player does not show browser version use, the player who uploaded will receive 0. (No proof of browser version.)

Receiving a score of 0 does not affect the outcome (win/loss) of a match if the outcome is shown in the latest screenshot. Scores that cannot be shown to have happened fairly are changed to 0 because there are awards for highest score in individual matches.


Troubleshooting
If you spy a problem, please report it to admins on Challonge. Be specific in the subject line (Match letter, problem description, etc.). Include affect players in the discussion as well.
Unfair play, rule infractions, or other violations will result in removal from tournament. There is no other penalty.
Issues coordinating matches
Your opponent isn't responding
Do not advance the match. Leave a note-attachment on the unfinished match stating that you have been trying to contact your opponent but they haven't responded. Admins will take this into consideration if the match does not happen.

Both of you tried but were unable to coordinate
If you fail to have a match with your opponent by the specified deadline but tried to coordinate, you may decide among yourselves who should advance.
If you do not both write a note-attachment on the match stating that you have agreed due to inability to coordinate that one player should advance, the player who reported the match will be removed from the tournament.
To advance a match yourself, you/your opponent can withdraw from the tournament, but since this draws a line through your name, players do not have to withdraw to advance matches.

If no note-attachments are left on unfinished matches by the deadline, an admin will remove both players from the tournament for inactivity.

Issues concerning a score or a win or loss
If you make a mistake entering a win/loss, notify players affected and admins immediately via Challonge messages.
False win/loss entries and false claims of false win/loss entries are grounds for removal from tournament.

In the event that a win/loss is recorded on Challonge incorrectly, message all admins on Challonge and detail what happened. Include affected players (like the your opponent's opponent, for example) in the message.

If your opponent submits the win/loss before you can upload your attachments, send your score report to all admins on Challonge. These will be checked when admins check each round and they will add a verifying note-attachment to the match.

If a score was recorded on Challonge incorrectly or a win/loss was reported incorrectly, send a message to the admins via Challonge.

Disconnects during a tournament-specified scored match
If you have a tendency to disconnect, make sure your opponent is aware so that they can take screenshots from time to time in case you disconnect at the last minute.

If you disconnected during a match and have a screenshot from before the disconnect, do not upload attachments to Challonge. Instead, send a message via Challonge to all admins that contains the following:
  • Screenshot 1 (start)
  • Screenshot with scores from before disconnect
  • Screenshot upon rejoining game showing 0/0/0/0 (to prove disconnect)
  • Screenshot 2 (end)
If you disconnect more than once, submit the two screenshots from before disconnect and upon rejoining as many times as needed.
If all the screenshots check out, your score will be the sum of score(s) before disconnect(s) and your end score. An admin will add a text attachment to your match stating that they have received a report verifying your score.

If your opponent disconnects, you submit your own scores as usual via Challonge with 2 screenshots. No disconnect-related information is required from you. However, your final screenshot must still contain your opponent's presence.

The disconnect vs. kick problem
Since it's a two-person browser-version game, /kick is indistinguishable from a disconnect. (Remember, however, that score reports are only valid if both usernames are shown.) Thus, here are the measures you can take to protect yourself from kickers.

(1) Take screenshots from time to time while playing. Scores from before disconnects can be added as noted in the section about disconnects above.
(2) If you believe you were kicked, rejoin the game and type "screenshot now" into the chat. Take a screenshot of the game while that is in the bottom of the chat and send it to all admins via Challonge messages. Your score must be 0/0/0/0. You must submit a kick report if you type "screenshot now" into the chat.

If you are being accused of kicking (you see "screenshot now" in the chat), keep calm and do not be offended. Screenshot the message while it is in the bottom of the chat and send it to all admins via Challonge messages. Send this report even if your opponent says they did not or will not send the kick report. (If the accused kicked, there will be messages just about "screenshot now" declaring the kick or the chat will have been cleared by the accused.)

You may report scores as usual on Challonge or send them in your kick report/response via Challonge messages.

Admins reviewing what happened will try to determine if a kicked happened.
If a kick response message is received without a matching kick report, admins may decide that the player who typed "screenshot now" was trying to slow down the other player and remove the player who failed to report from the tournament.
If the accused does not submit the screenshot containing the responding "screenshot now", they will lose the match for not proving innocence. However, if the accuser has a history of disconnects and/or kick accusations, admins may use their discretion.
If the accused is determined to have kicked (i.e. submitted an incriminating screenshot), they will be removed from the tournament.
If the accused is determined to have not kicked (submitted an exonerating screenshot), admins will simply take note of who was involved but take no action.

Misconduct
Do not spam the chat (as in, do not block players' views of the game). If your opponent attempts to block your view, report it. Do not ever clear the chat, since your opponent may disconnect to accuse you of kicking.

If a player is unsportsmanship-like to an extreme degree, send a message to all admins on Challonge detailing the misconduct with as much proof as possible.

Failure to conduct oneself appropriately will result in removal from tournament.

Basically, be nice. It's not that you can't swear, but just don't be a jerk.

Leaving the tournament
If you choose to leave the tournament, go to "Your Settings" on the tournament page at Challonge.com and click "Unregister". If the tournament has already started, your name will simply be crossed out. This action cannot be undone.

Other inquiries or problems
If it is a match-specific issue or an issue that's about your opponent, please message all admins on Challonge.

If it is a general tournament issue, message all admins on Challonge or just me (Sarruby).



Other Information
Other matters that concern the tournament, from philosophy to rules to witnesses.
FAQ
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No one has asked any questions yet.

About witnesses
Witnesses to individual matches are optional but allowed; additionally, admins may require a witness(es) to specific matches (like the last few or if a user has a strong history of disconnects or other issues). If both players agree they would like a witness or if a witness is required by an admin, it's up to the players to pick a witness, add them to the Skype chat, and coordinate with them. Witnesses may be any other player(s) in the tournament and/or admins.

Witnesses must have Challonge accounts to be able to contact admins.

If a witness is present, the witness must have a score of 0/0/0/0 in all screenshots (should not have spawned). The witness should disable the Flare Green button to make accidental spawning impossible.

The primary reasons for requiring a witness would be to broadcast the match, to check for cheating/mod use, or to verify that kicks are not occurring.

Witnesses may report scores along with the two players, but such reports will not take the place of the other players except if the starting screenshot is omitted by both players.

My philosophy on dealing with cheating
Cheaters exist. Report them please with as much proof as you can muster.

Here's what I think about cheating in general:

I think there are two kinds of cheaters: casual cheaters, who do it because it's easy and they think they can get away with it, and serious cheaters, who cheat for the sake of cheating.

The above rules (kick/disconnect screenshot checks, score report criteria requiring both players' presence in screenshots, etc.) serve to discourage the casual cheater.

Are there ways to cheat? Yes. I'm certain of that and can even think of some ways around the rules here. You can't really stop a serious cheater.

That said, the above rules discourage the easiest ways to cheat, and I believe that most people are honest folks who I'd really rather not inconvenience with witness requirements or video proof. Like, I'd rather be like Notch in the early days of Minecraft - asking for $10 to play and not doing much security - rather than Starcraft, which tries to eliminate copying of games through CD registrations and requiring constant internet connection thereby inconveniencing all customers. That said, this tournament is not a business trying to sell to customers; I can and will remove players from the tournament if it seems they are cheating in some way.

I ask that if you want me to modify the rules to account for some cheating method that you do so through private messaging, so players who didn't think of it will be less likely to know about it. I may not be able to do anything, which is why I haven't tried to account for some ways you can cheat (or maybe I just didn't think of them). Either way, if you are worried about a specific way to cheat, message me.

Legalities
I'm not a lawyer. Screw legal terms. There's no money involved with this, and participating is at your own risk. You accept all responsibility for anything that happens to you. I nor any of the admins are responsible for anyone's actions, including our own. We are not liable for anything that comes of your participation in the tournament. We're other human internet users and can only do our best. Also, any terms and conditions of any other sites still apply, whatever that means to you.

So... Don't sue or anything. If anyone has more legal terms to add, let me know. And if we have a lawyer in the crowd who has the time to write something to put here, I'd be ever so grateful.

Internet Safety - especially if you are not a legal adult
Basically: DON'T BE DUMB.

Remember your general internet safety stuff: beyond like age, gender, and very-very-very general location (like continents or geographic regions with populations over 50 million), information can be used to find you. So don't give out your name, address, high school names, Facebook, etc. If you do give that out, you are putting yourself at risk and I and other admins have nothing to do with it.

If you are uncomfortable with connections to your real identity, I suggest that you create a new Challonge username and Skype for tournament use so as to maintain an anonymous profile in the tournament. Please be cautious when interacting with other players.

If you're a minor, please consult with your parents or a responsible adult about the tournament before entering. Please do not tell information to anyone that can be used to identify you, such as your name or address.


Awards/Thanks
Bragging rights and internet-permanency of your username by the awards on forums.
Awards
Awards:
    1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Place for winning matches
    Highest score in a match: 1st, 2nd, 3rd
    Best bracket prediction: 1st, 2nd, 3rd (for highest score - only requires a Challonge account, not entry to tournament)

Thanks
Many thanks to:

Feng and other producers
Forum maintainers
All admins/staff for tournament
Sarruby (for inventing this kind of tournament dammit)
Witnesses


By the way, if anyone wants to use this set-up, go right ahead! I've named it Ruby-style because I like red, and if you mention it's that style there's no need to mention me. Yay red!
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