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Re: Scoreboard of V11102013

Postby Titan Slayer » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:35 pm

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Re: Scoreboard of V11102013

Postby Blizzard2795 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:05 pm

Foxen wrote:
Terramort wrote:
SlenderK wrote:So what? Does my completion of the forest not count?


Exactly. You might have accidentally let 2 seconds get ADDED to your time. And because of the wonderful help of the mods, you don't have to worry about having your score messed up by 2 seconds and fear losing the competition for the scoreboard (by those 1 extra seconds) - you aren't even allowed to apply for the chance! This ensures that your hard work goes unrewarded, even though you are willing to take a penalty on your time.

Oh, and maybe next time, the mods should ask US, the PLAYERS and the ones submitting the high scores, if WE are ok with the few extra seconds of time for our applications. I know I am.

I agree wholeheartedly, Terramort. Considering this issue is going to exist for everyone who is speed running, I don't understand how it could invalidate the scores. Everyone's time is going to have the extra time on it. I think that this was a bad move by the mods to push this on us, as it really should have been left up to the people who are actually setting the records. Personally, I feel like I have nothing to work towards when playing single player at this point. There's no reason that the timed scores shouldn't be accepted. It isn't difficult to have a screen cap program ready to take a picture the moment your titan count drops to 0. In fact, due to the glitch in this version, it's necessary to. The difference in times should only differ in tenths of a second, in this case. (Which I doubt will cost anyone a rank)

Also, what's up with having to have a picture of the web browser? My screen capture program won't take pictures unless a game is fullscreen. If it's due to the possibility of an altered offline version, I suppose that's understandable. Otherwise it sort of seems like a pointless (and rude) way to ensure people are playing on the website.

I've always assumed it's what you said, to ensure that it was definitely legit. As far as the screen capture program though, wouldn't just print screen suffice? Also, I'd say that the time glitch could easily add on a least five seconds to it, which wouldn't be fair to people that aren't prepared to take a screenshot the instant the counter ticks down to zero, or are even aware of the glitch. If I recall correctly, didn't the timer used to stop the instant you killed the last titan, it didn't wait for the body to disappear and for the counter to tick down to zero? I'm assuming that with the current time glitch, it still waits for the body to disappear to count down, meaning you'd have to wait for the body to go away before you take the picture, which would add on somewhere around 3-5 seconds to it.
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Re: Scoreboard of V11102013

Postby Foxen » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:14 pm

Well, you gotta realize that everybody is going to have to wait on that body to disappear, so that time difference is irrelevant. The only time difference is when people take the screenshot after it hits 0. Even if you have an awful reaction time, you may take the picture 1 second after it hits 0, whereas someone with a better reaction time would take it at like 0.3-0.5 seconds after 0. The time difference is not enough to invalidate speed run scores. If you are going for a speed run and you aren't prepared to take a screenshot, then you shouldn't be going for a speed run time anyway. Even if you aren't prepared, you could easily pause it on your last kill and open the program before the titan even hits the ground.

EDIT: Due to the fact that there are no mid-update patches for this game, I think it is unreasonable to completely remove speed run times from the leaderboard. Those people who believe that the scores are unfair (Though they will literally be less than a second apart in reality) can simply not participate and pout until it gets fixed.
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Re: Scoreboard of V11102013

Postby Flesh Eater » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:31 pm

The time from the killing of the titan to the theoretical slow reaction in which the player captures the screen one second after body disappears is between 6 and 7 seconds total. That's a pretty large gap... So if player A captures right when the titan is killed (plus reaction time of 0.5 seconds) and B captures 6 seconds (plus reaction time of 1 second) later, that can be significant.
Thus, I agree the question should be put to the players: how shall we ameliorate this theoretical situation? What standard rules should apply in the capturing of images? I think to make it easier for everyone, the picture should be made exactly when the count hits 0 (gives players a moment to breathe and compose themselves), and then 5 to 6 seconds will be taken from this score (I am not sure which it is closer to, but I think six is nearer the true value).
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Re: Scoreboard of V11102013

Postby Accelevi » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:38 pm

Feng does release small patches occasionally when it is needed, and he's fixing the wall hole thing so Titans can't fall through, if I remember correctly.
This would probably be fixed with it.
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Re: Scoreboard of V11102013

Postby Blizzard2795 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:44 pm

On a side note, if you really want to see the importance of the bug, go through the posts in this thread, and look at all time related submissions. In some, the titan's already gone, the smoke's already cleared, and the counter is at zero, others, the titan's already lying on the ground, but the counter still hasn't updated, and some were taken immediately after cutting it, numbers still on screen, titan hasn't even fallen yet.
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Re: Scoreboard of V11102013

Postby Foxen » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:47 pm

In the event that the scoreboard for timed runs was brought back, I'd imagine a rule would be in place stating that you have to take the picture the moment the titan count hits 0.
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Re: Scoreboard of V11102013

Postby Blizzard2795 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:58 pm

The thing about that, though, is that every single submission under that would get a six second penalty the instant Feng fixes it, as up until now, it's stopped the clock the instant you kill the last titan.
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Re: Scoreboard of V11102013

Postby Foxen » Thu Nov 14, 2013 12:49 am

Blizzard2795 wrote:The thing about that, though, is that every single submission under that would get a six second penalty the instant Feng fixes it, as up until now, it's stopped the clock the instant you kill the last titan.

Then in that case, these speed times should be in their own category, perhaps. (Pre bug fix category)
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Re: Scoreboard of V11102013

Postby Accelevi » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:07 am

I've heard that Permanent Shifting Eren has a time stop function, so I will include those.
But regular time entries otherwise are being debated by staff/team/etc.
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