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Re: Suggestions for the forum

Postby Accelevi » Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:43 pm

Suraru wrote:About the new rule posts, I think it could be better.

Let me just find a post from another page that works a similar system....

Other forum I'm in wrote:New users' posts undergo an approval process, meaning they won't show up right away. Don't worry though, once you gain enough posts you can post freely without restrictions! Just be patient, and don't re-post messages! You also won't be able to send private messages during this time; just be patient and send your messages once you've had enough posts approved.

Keep it constructive! The forums are a place for ideas and discussion; personal attacks ("flaming"), or generally inappropriate content is not constructive!

Keep it on topic! The discussion and creative areas are for on-topic posts only. We don't mind a brief aside or indirectly related comment, but if you want to have a silly conversation then create a new topic in the general forum or use private messages please! This rule applies to images as well, so please don't disrupt topics with lolcats or whatever the current fads are :P

If a Moderator weighs in on a dispute in the forums, then treat their decision as law. If you don't like a decision, then PM the team member, or myself, for clarification.


I think it's a bit too harsh to ban members trying to raise their post limit. Just make a rule that dictates they have to post constructive stuff, avoid one liners, do not just post single words or smileys, and anyone not following that rule will have their post deleted. If they don't catch the hint, and it keeps happening multiple times, a PM warning. If at that point they ignore the mod, then start doing weekly bans. This is just what other forums do, it's not as harsh XD

Just a few rules I found, that forums also has a few community sticky posts. For example, there is a "Thread of status and other such things!" I made this one for them, it's basically a thread so people can mass tell many guilds (or roleplays) at once that they will be gone, or have returned, etc.
There is also a round table which we already have (it's this thread), but I think instead of making an entirely new section for it, just slap it stickied in the staff announcements subtopic.
Also! A roleplay section maybe? I know that on every forum I've been on, that section contains at least 50% of the posts, and it gets large. There is usually a "Lock at 50 posts and make a new thread" rule. Otherwise it gets laggy. Roleplay would be nice to make colab fanfics, even using the game to help write it. I can elaborate on that later, but for now this post reflects my opinion on the new post rules, and a different spot for this thread.

Too harsh to ban members trying to spam to raise their post limit to gain a silly rank which is nothing but some lines of text? I think not. Also, an intro/leaving thread will be put in as I change the forum later. And this forum is still really small, a Roleplay section would come later, if at all.
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Re: Suggestions for the forum

Postby SoulHunter » Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:08 pm

I'm glad that you liked my board design idea! 8-) The forums now look like real forums (imo) :p

As an addition for the suggestion, I'd like to request the removal of the emotes/signatures in the descriptions of the forums as they are imo just having space and make the forums look a lil messy.
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Re: Suggestions for the forum

Postby Accelevi » Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:16 pm

I'm still working on the board stuff.
The emotes make it livelier imo, and many people agree, after I asked them.
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Re: Suggestions for the forum

Postby Suraru » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:29 am

It appears the forum has reached another level of popularity. Feng needs to update his server, the forums are slowing down due to the traffic. Just a notification, this stuff happens regularly, hopefully Feng has the cash for it XD

"in total there are 60 users online :: 15 registered, 0 hidden and 45 guests (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 269 on August 25th, 2013, 8:58 am"
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Re: Suggestions for the forum

Postby Smile » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:30 am

The "15 posts before you can join the rest of the forum" policy sounds kinda ridiculous imho. Locking them up in one sub-forum and forcing them to talk about something seems to be unnecessary.

Why not just prevent people with under 5 posts from posting links? I'm pretty sure most (if not all) bots always have links somewhere in their posts. I'm not sure how hard this can be to implement, but I think it would be worth looking into for the sake of the new members of the forums.

EDIT: It seems that I can't post on their forum. I don't know why you would want us to not interact with the newcomers. Naturally, new comers still have little to no idea how we operate in the forums, and are going to ask a lot of questions. Without the ability to post, the more experience members can't answer these questions. Or at least, help them find the answers they need.
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Re: Suggestions for the forum

Postby Blackhunter » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:33 am

Smile wrote:The "15 posts before you can join the rest of the forum" policy sounds kinda ridiculous imho. Locking them up in one sub-forum and forcing them to talk about something seems to be unnecessary.

Why not just prevent people with under 5 posts from posting links? I'm pretty sure most (if not all) bots always have links somewhere in their posts. I'm not sure how hard this can be to implement, but I think it would be worth looking into for the sake of the new members of the forums.

EDIT: It seems that I can't post on their forum. I don't know why you would want us to not interact with the newcomers. Naturally, new comers still have little to no idea how we operate in the forums, and are going to ask a lot of questions. Without the ability to post, the more experience members can't answer these questions. Or at least, help them find the answers they need.


that because new members come and post stuff without searching
is that already post or no
+ the bots
that will help a lot so bots will just post there (hopefully)
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Re: Suggestions for the forum

Postby SoulHunter » Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:42 am

Suraru wrote:It appears the forum has reached another level of popularity. Feng needs to update his server, the forums are slowing down due to the traffic. Just a notification, this stuff happens regularly, hopefully Feng has the cash for it XD

"in total there are 60 users online :: 15 registered, 0 hidden and 45 guests (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 269 on August 25th, 2013, 8:58 am"


Many people with 0 post count have been removed lately. That is, I'd assume, the reason why the amount of guests has been increased that much.

About the "record on the day 25th August". Do you know what that day was? It was the announcement day of MultiPlayer x) A lot of people seeked this feature just so badly that all those people just came to the forums to learn more about the system =)


Blackhunter wrote:
Smile wrote:The "15 posts before you can join the rest of the forum" policy sounds kinda ridiculous imho. Locking them up in one sub-forum and forcing them to talk about something seems to be unnecessary.

Why not just prevent people with under 5 posts from posting links? I'm pretty sure most (if not all) bots always have links somewhere in their posts. I'm not sure how hard this can be to implement, but I think it would be worth looking into for the sake of the new members of the forums.

EDIT: It seems that I can't post on their forum. I don't know why you would want us to not interact with the newcomers. Naturally, new comers still have little to no idea how we operate in the forums, and are going to ask a lot of questions. Without the ability to post, the more experience members can't answer these questions. Or at least, help them find the answers they need.


that because new members come and post stuff without searching
is that already post or no
+ the bots
that will help a lot so bots will just post there (hopefully)



Indeed, but I think he also has a valid point as well.

I think it would be better if we could post in their thread as well. I'm like watching them as pitying them lol.. They are like "why are there no forumz?!" and I cannot even write "cus.. cus.. and cus..." xD

And yeah, 15 post count is I guess an experimental number. I do not think most bots I've here seen so far post that much in a small matter of time. Maybe it could be reduced to 10 or such? Just my 2 cents though.

Btw;
Dottsmaster wrote:Seriously though, if all newbies have to comment 15 times, and this thread is the only place where they can post,

Really makes a person wonder how many pages this thread is gonna have with the number of new members coming in.


Seems like they are also tied to nothing though. They seem like they don't have enough right to make 15 posts within legal borders.

Rule No. 4 states that;
Rule No. 4 wrote:4. No spamming.
Spam can be interpreted in various ways. On this forum, it shall be interpreted as:
...
• Posting twice in a row (double posting) within a 24-hour period in one thread.
...


And due to which they have to wait for others to post constantly, which would take so much time and require a team coordnations xD (imo).

And someone said;
Dottsmaster wrote:Can we have like a few more sections in the forum for us to post in?

For example, the Others section (got this from my brother)

A guest has actually more privileges than us newbies if you think about it, just without the ability to post.


IMO he made two great points. If newbies would have their own forums like "Newbie Discussion" they could make threads and up their post counts far faster. It would be easy to recognize who is bot or not as well, considering bots would make silly threads in that forum.

And, as for preventing bots, many forums do not have this problem. Why ? Because they use "Re-Captcha", which has been far the best security against bots for a long time now.

Adding such basic systems would prevent bots just a lot.

He btw mentioned that they cannot see the rest of the forums when logged in as newbies (xD). I do not see a reason why they should not be able to see when they are logged in, but that's my thought though.
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Re: Suggestions for the forum

Postby Terramort » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:22 am

I would simply like to put my support in changing the way new members are handled. Forcing them to talk among themselves in 1 thread with NO input from the rest of the community is not a good way to introduce new players to forums. They aren't learning anything, aren't getting questions answered, and are basically being punished for the actions of bots. Going the way of MineCrafts forums seems to be a much, much better idea.

New users can only post a limited number of replies each day until a certain number of approved posts are reached. New users also can't start threads until the limit is reached. Perhaps even make obvious "experienced" sections (areas that require more reading to avoid duplicate threads) so they can't be posted in until the limit is reached (such as suggestions... so tired of repeat suggestions).

Or something along these lines. Or allow the off-topic posts to count in the current system. Just... something other than roping off the newcomers and disallowing them contact with the rest of the community, and vice versa. Especially with all the rules about double-posting/limited sections to try and get their count up - it essentailly impossible for any one person to actually join the forums without the participation of another newcomer in less than 15 days. And that's assuming they actually want to join the forums bad enough to come post something new in a topic about nothing once a day, everyday, and hope not to get banned in the process.
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Re: Suggestions for the forum

Postby Suraru » Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:50 am

While I agree with post above me to an extent, the best system I have seen so far, is the system LoK used (Google if you want, it's a furry porn forum, but they had a good system dammit!).

Newly registered users have to have every post they make be approved by a moderator before it shows up. When they reach a limit (I recommend 5 or 10) they can post freely. This will greatly reduce spam, asswipes, troll clones, or people who need to lurk a bit more before they post.
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Re: Suggestions for the forum

Postby Terramort » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:02 am

Suraru has a pretty good idea, too. Probably better than the MineCraft copy, as well as much easier to implement. It would ensure almost no bots ever get to actually post anything.
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